Sept-2005 Discussion With Facts and Figures

Abrahamic setups have seen a constant tussle between the majority and minority religions(and races, languages etc, but let's leave that alone for a moment.) First it was the Egyptian/Jew conflict with Jews ending up with slaves. Then it was Roman/Jew. Then it was Jew/Christian. Then it was Christian/Muslims. Then it was Catholic/Protestant. Then Shia/Sunni. Then Muslim/Jew. Then in America it was Protestant/Catholic. Heck, even in America in the mid 1800's , a minority Protestant sect(Mormons) were harassed by the mainstream Protestant groups.The majority has always tried to put the minority down, because that's the nature of their religion. M. Nam
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Hence, the minorities in India juxaposed the experiences from their history on to the Hindus, and started to believe that the majority Hindu would do the same to them. Jinnah's partition demand was grounded in this. Every seccecionist movement in India is rooted in this theory. There is no effort to understand that Hinduism itself is a collection of minorities and its construct is fundamentally different. So there is no danger for minorities. There is no need for special laws/priviledges to retain your culture/religion since there is no threat to it from the majority, unless you use these special laws to hurt the majority
Hindus are easy targets for islamists. With many Gods, and mythology, one is full of doubts. Many become atheists like DMK folks. In this context, is islam a good option? Clearly no; because it is a whirlpool that sucks every good man into an orgranized crime syndicate like the Mumbai underworld. Do you still consider islam? Newly converted Javed, alias Pillai, was subverted to kill Hon Mr Modi with a terrorist Ishrat as an accomplice. Saudis and pakkis wanna see wahabi-ism and islam spread all over India. They are targeting innocent and trusting Indians. Do you realize that minority of India represent religious colonialism and **long criminal history** of violating Hindus in every way possible. Even after death, they take your land for their burial, cause population skew not practicing birth control, abuse you in all forum, rob our rights in our own ancient homeland. Put a stop to this right now. Donate to IDRF and save our ancient culture!..! The senior imam of Delhi mosque had said that 3000+ Indians had to be bumped off, it should be done, his incitement dictated, adding that they were asked to accomplish the job quickly and massively. Yes, 3000+ true Indian citizens were indeed slaughtered for an old unused bldg called babri. The imam is roaming freely as a fugitive of the law of the land. Is he above the law of land? As are countless other murderers fro other pogroms such as 2. nine murdered for remarks of an American in far away USA, 3. millions slaughtered in Kerala for arrest of Caliph of *distant* Turkey during Khilafat massacre, 4. thousands murdered for a pig running by an unholy mosque; 5. tens killed at the Gateway of India during twin blasts of Bombay, MARAD, GODHRA, temples, trains and buses for no apparent reason; etc? 6. "In 1946 or thereabouts the Muslim atrocities perpetrated on Hindus under the Government patronage of Suhrawardy in Noakhali made Hindu blood boil;" etc. all “preplanned pogroms designed" by “ cultist fanatic" brutes and other crescent slaves with help of funding perhaps by rich muslimes like Mother F Hussain. Put a stop to this serial mass murder right now. Save your ancient culture!..! +++++++Is not the current situation grave enough? Add Benny Hinn's offensive. +++++++Is not the current situation critical enough? Add banerjee report on Godhra train car. +++++++Is not the current situation serious enough? Add Hindu Pope property take over by TN-CM. Boycott minority schools and business!! And islamic business too!!.!
Miriam (27 January 2005 7:56:23 AM)
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Do not ever make the worst blunder of fattening the fat muslim pigs! These evil vulgar brutes are already hogging the resources that rightly belongs to the Dalits, the outcasts of India. Perhaps everyone would agree that the old version of colonialism has been replaced by brutal fascist stranglehold by 1. savage muslim mosque honchos that have apparently perfected serial mass murders and 2. hoodwinking christian hoodlums who might well be raping minors of all religions even as we speak (Catholics are notorious all the world over for rapes of minors). Nothing but anarchy prevails in India.

One is not surprised to note that India is a failed state run by anti-secular immoral anarchists of Islam and Christianity and other NGO cohorts. Can secularism mean UNLIMITED FREEDOM, LIMITLESS LIBERTY AND EXCESSIVE RIGHTS - NO CIVIC DUTIES? Surely not. In your Holy Land, it is all about continued and escalating crimes to the point that you are not able 1. to rule yourselves as majority deciding your own destiny [elections having been criminally hijacked by naxal contract murders], or 2. live in peace without riots, or 3. practise our religion when stones are thrown during Ganesh or Hanuman festivities by vulgar muslim brutes, 4. your rights being eroded, 5. your leaders like Honorable Ms Uma Bharati, Mr Togodia prevented by fascists from basic rights like freedom of speech; 6. your very way of life under threat constantly from evil muslim devils. I find it hard deconstruct Indian Secularism!! Can secularism mean UNLIMITED FREEDOM, LIMITLESS LIBERTY AND EXCESSIVE RIGHTS - NO CIVIC DUTIES? The apathy is partly based on ***forgetting the past*** that has undercurrents to this day like Jinah's riots continuing for one more decade and ongoing * land grab for burial, * conversion distorting majority-minority ratio, * subversion of truth by media and institutions like even Supreme Court, * invasion by illegal migration from bDesh and Fakistan, again distorting majority-minority ratio, *...and so on - all changing the political and cultural landscape. Pseudosecularism of India is all about undermining democracy, freedom, safety and security. Mind you, public demand and expects the ruling party to provide democracy, freedom, safety and security. What can be more basic than this? Every ruling party has failed miserably 1. in protecting its own people who elected them; 2. to expose the continuing heinous genocidal atrocities on Hindus; 3. to counter or root out the islamist terrorists who are still a growing threat to the national security; 4. to effectively counter the lies and hateful propaganda of the media that always blame the victims and suppress serial killings that are as frequent and widespread even today as the savage acts of Jinah deliberate design prior to 1947. Only BOYCOTT tool can achieve many happy goals!! BOYCOTT FOR HINDUTVA, SOCIAL AND POLITICAL JUSTICE !!..!
Mark McHugh (1 February 2005 8:56:02 AM)
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Posted by Munir.Akram on Sep 5, 2005

I like any who support and butress M. Nam's theoretical framework with present day examples, concrete and clear proofs as evidence of continuing inequality that started with islamic invasion and two major colonial periods through this current neo-colonial rule by the Congress party.

Lack of equity and equality is indeed rupturing the social fabric of India, notwithstanding the myopic/short-sighted wild comments by a few uncaring individuals.

Please keep up the good work. I do think you are onto something positive when you suggested work permits for all the muslims left dumped on India. Other option is annual monetary compensation from the pakkis, by linking it to the Kashmir issue.


Posted by Fareena Raza Sep 5, 2005

Many have been mostly talking of inexplicable and repeated violence against the Hindus (as was true in Moplah large scale butchery and slaughter) on a continuing basis for reasons totally unrelated to them like in the case of an American, Jerry Falwell talking ill of Islam. (Sadly, Hindutvadis being too tolerant and patient, have done little or nothing to prevent such savage violence).

One even was bold and clear, when she lamented that, "THIS SHOWS US HOW UNPREPARED WE ARE FOR CONITNUING SAVAGE ATTACKS."

I too found some back postings on temple destruction. You would agree such desruction in the present day is totally unacceptable. Hence, their evidentiary posts showing concrete proofs are still **current** and relevant to your reference to temple destruction of the historic past. Only I talked of gang rape based on **casteism** in Islamic Pakistan!

There was not even implicit tussle between Protestants and Catholics in allied attack on Axis powers, as you say "how the Protestant forces of America and Britain decimated the forces of the Catholic Hitler and Mussolini. The sphere too, when organized with a purpose, can be far more lethal than imagined,” though complicity of the catholic church and pope has long been suspected in nazi invasions and holocaust.

Like Hindi-Chini bhai bhai days of the mid 50s that got Indians only betrayal, bhai-bhai warm attitudes and showering of privileges to muslims left behind by Pakistan has resulted in repeated betrayal of the host culture, namely the Hindus.

Onslaught like this one like what SEETHA-JI presented does not augur well for inter-communal relationships that might not be sustainable any longer:
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Conversions continue to be rampant: Hindu leader NT Bureau Chennai, July 9:

'It is time for Hindus to safeguard themselves from the onslaught of religious conversions, which are rampant in the country. For instance, in the southern district of Kanniyakumari, nearly 45 per cent of the population has been 'successfully' converted to Christianity, while in the last few days, a total of 24 idols of Hindu gods and goddesses have been vandalised in the district', Hindu Munnani founder Rama Gopalan has said. Speaking to devotees during his visit to the Periyamalai Balamurugan temple in Pallavaram Wednesday, where the presiding deity of Goddess Dakshayini was destroyed by 'unidentified miscreants', a few days ago, Rama Gopalan, expressing his anguish at the incident, said, it was a barbaric act aimed at creating confusion among the people.

'The attacks on Hindu deities have increased in the recent days and Hindus are left with no other option but to safeguard themselves. Whoever had committed this shameful act should be brought to book irrespective of his caste or creed,' he said. He also warned that the Hindu Munnnani volunteers would stage protests if the perpetrators of the violence are not nabbed immediately.

Many residents of the area adjoining Periyamalai Balamurugan temple have pointed fingers at a Christian group that was 'notoriously active' in the area and also on a few Pentecost groups that thronged the hill every night to carry out prayers.
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In India, "Serial mass murders and conversion assaults" have been happening for ages when Hindus have been victims of religious hatred of the muslims and christians; ten deaths for distant remarks of Jerry Falwell is but one perfect example that shows they indeed have excessive rights and no accountability at all period.

If there were any evidence of 'good' humane muslims during their seven hundred years of occupation of India,

1. Public safety won't be the over riding security concern of the civil society of India now;

2. They would have not given sanctuaries and material support to Ishrat type criminal mafia;

3. They would not allow any murder, rape or abduction of Hindus for even one more day; (Too many have been occurring routinely including MARAD, GODHRA..etc)

4. Given away mosques built on Hindu temple lands being the legitimate rights of the Hindus;

5. They shall eliminate hate speeches in mosques; and vacated at least one of their universities to Dalits;

6. They shall fight for Hindutva as the legitimate rights of native majority people;

7. They would have been liked, trusted and even respected by Hindus both as individuals and as a group.

On the contrary, bigoted violent passion is currently ruling the islamist minds - similarly, fascist politics is paralyzing them rather than morally right principles that might be expected of a "good" and responsible muslim 'citizen'; all starting from Khilafat massacre, continued through Naokali riots in pre-1947 puppetteered by Jinah's evil days.

Israel uses raids, demolition of homes, targeted assassination...etc as a tool to root out terrorism. Check points, curfew, fencing, denial of water, rejection of citizenship papers and permits are other forms of collective punishment, they use. India has not even RAIDED to investigate GODHRA an arsonist savage killing of innocent women and children trapped in a train car. Contrast that with the American response to the same type of arsonist murder of **four** Americans in Iraq in Falujah.

Every time, the Hindus do not react or respond adequately to the heinous atrocities perpetrated on them, they are allowing setting of adverse precedents, sending a bad message that it is ok to kill serially and rape and pillage...etc.

Again, the cause might be that the Hindu elite including those in VHP/BHP is too patient or too tolerant. With no protests, this goes on and on. How else can you explain so many decades of fascist attacks after 1947 and so many centuries of brutal colonial barbarism before 47? To repeat, if you do not have even the self-preserving instincts, you are most likely to be killed and walked over too. Especially your women are the most vulnerable, easy targets "to bed with" to quote one of the Bollywood Khans.

Indian economy might be and might have been better served if the minority population worked well with the native cultures. Self-destructing Inhumane muslims and Christians with no loyalty to the nation, are working to destroy their own power base by constantly undermining the civil society. All this is sure to come back to haunt them down the road.

Thus, the leftists like Anand Nair could have prevented the worst types of exploitation like by corporate crooks like ENRON, AMWAY, COCO COLA, COLGATE..ETC AND SHODDY FORD OR HUYNDAI, AND EVIL PRODUCTS LIKE CIGARETTES AND LIQUOR AND OPIUM BASED NARCOTICS. The inhumane anti-Hindus could better be fostering ties with Libya or Central Asia to get better oil deals with Ghadaffi or Irani Ayatollahs and get paid for the pirated Bollywood movies instead of losing it by way of piracy of the vulgar pakkis and so on.

All this leads one to conclude there are no 'good' humane muslims or Christians that matter to strengthen either democracy or secularism. If there are any left, they do not make any significant difference in stabilizing the economy, social fabric or the body politics or they are to be found in significant numbers if at all existent in some nook.
and to conclude that nothing has changed for the Hindus. They have neither safety nor security never mind autonomy or self-rule.

This is what I want to tell my fellow muslims. Our Hindu hosts have been our most reliable friends for several centuries. If we can be friendly, lawful and helpful citizens, this bond may continue. Badly managed, it can become a very dangerous downward trend indeed. At least the choice seems to be ours. Confidence-building measures by generous unconditional offer of priceless Indian citizenship to all of us without exceptions in 1947 has always come from our hosts.

Looking at it cynically, we have been paranoid about Hindutva re-assertion of their rights to self-determination in their ancient homeland. We need to re-affirm of our commitment to rule by the majority, commonly called democratic government by legitimate and credible reps of the vast majority of masses, the BJP. The present condition of minority being separate and more than equal cannot wash any longer. This day in Sept. 1st, Katrina messages say 'looters will be shot!' Hindus are yet to say that; but soon might.

Vis-a-vis our Hindu hosts, we the guest muslim benefiaries should have little difficulty in shaping up
* in order to turn in the jihadi criminals amongst us and
* to adequately compensate our host HIndus for all the atrocities of the past several decades;
* to decrease our population to the 1947 level; etc
at the **minimum** or accept temporary guest worker visa from the Indian Government until the above conditions are met or until we get settled in one of the 60 odd islamic nations.

Demand of jobs for our Dalits after conversion only exposes that Dalit muslims/christians remain outcast as poor, abused and lowly! Recently, the lower caste Mai was gang-raped when her brother was suspected to have doen soemthing to an upper-caste woman in PAKISTAN where there is supposedly NO CASTE SYSTEM AT ALL.

What a sad commentary on the egalitariam Islam!!!!!!!
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Gang Rape for 'Honor'
In June this year, in remote Meerwala village, 610 kms from the capital Islamabad, young Mukhtiar Mai wept and pleaded for mercy when she heard the verdict. But the 18-year-old was dragged into a mud hut and gang raped, while a crowd of a few hundred stood outside.

The ordeal of the impoverished lower caste Gujjar family started ..the boy's father, was told to bring one of his five daughters - failing which all the women in his family would be raped. With no option left, Farid brought Mukhtiar, his eldest daughter, to bear the brunt of the verdict.
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Both we muslims and the christians should know that the willingness of the rest of the majoriy Indians to accept us as part of the Indian citizenry (then in 1947 and now too) inspite of many evil deeds and anti-national activities - the minor example being population explosion, conversion assaults, land grab for burial, abuse of Dalits hiding behind them, ..etc perhaps the mildest of all such activities - is indeed admirable.

We have been the main source and major cause of hundreds of recurring national crises. (For example, despite there was no private gain for Hon Sri Modi Sahib, well-orchestrated campaign of disinformation, we unleashed against him maligning his valiant attempts discrediting his early end to stop killings post-Godhra despite denial of help from Kalam whose foot-soldiers were trickily held back for a long time).

Is this not evidence of a criminal mind-set at the maximum and disgraceful attitude at the minium among the minority? PS: the danger from p-secs is *no less* when they tell us that they have the Hindu interests in their minds and only they got it "correct", whereas thinking of all other Hindus is flawed, (to use his own words).

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Posted by Seetha Raghavan on Sep 5, 2005

I agree 100% with you when you say "There is plenty of evidence that the following type of historic islamist addiction to barbaric violence continues to this day- "The earliest Muslim invasions into India were mostly entirely Sunni and their behavior was primarily limited to looting, genocide, temple destruction, rape and forced conversions" ... "egregious and horrendous deaths of ten for something quite **unrelated** to India and Hindus "...etc.

I have given clear and concrete evidence that overwhelmingly shows that
while good and noble types of Hinduism like Hon Sri Modi, Sri Doctor Togadia, Most Venereable Mata -ji, are doing excellent HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVIST WORK puttting themselves exposed to the savage risks, barbaric campaign of violence, including destruction of temples still goes on.

While our awareness is increasing, our reaction to their organized savage attacks in terms of rapes, serial mass murders, led by the minority party's fundamentalist totalitarian regime, is less than mild - I see not even a feeble boycott campaign
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While good and noble types of HInduism like Hon Sri Modi, Sri Doctor Togdia, Most Venereable Mata -ji, savage campaign of violence is ongoing including destruciton of temples:


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Temples often attacked or robbed
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Burglars decamp with lingam from a temple

Tiruchirappalli, Dec 4: The top portion of the siva lingam was found stolen from a temple atop a hillock at Tiruengoyimalai near Musiri about 40 kms here, police said.
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4 idols, ornaments stolen from temple

Coimbatore, Nov 5: Four panchaloha idols, some ornaments and pooja articles were stolen from a temple near Tirupur here.
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Two idols, valuables looted from temple

Coimbatore, Feb 19: Two "panchaloha" idols, silver ornaments and other valuables were looted from a temple near Sulur, on the outskirts, today.
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TN temple theft: Gang held in Kerala

Kochi, Dec 27: A nine-member gang, which stole three panchaloha idols and a panchaloha crown from a temple in Tamil Nadu September 4, was arrested here today, police said.
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Shiva idol stolen at Kerela
Kanhangad (Kerala)
The main idol of the Shiva temple here was found stolen early Monday morning, police said. The over 200-year-old panchaloha (of five metals) idol of lord Shiva, weighing 8 kg, was stolen after the door of the sanctum sanctorum of the Poonkavu Karpooreshwara temple was broken open by thieves.

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Panchaloha idols worth Rs 10 lakh stolen

Kannur, Sept 1: Two panchaloha idols were stolen from the Nuchyad Bhagavati Amman temple near Ulikkal in the early hours today, police said. __________________________________________________________
Now Europe is waking up with Theo van Gogh's murder and shows revenge in the same vein is what can teach them, revenge that resulted in burning of many mosques and schools. Such violence is never good and we are always too tolerant and yet getting too poor an image.

In India, "On the contrary, they [the jihadi politicians] built an atmosphere of mistrust between minorities and majority community by insinuating imaginary fears so as to nurture minorities into their vote bank. Due to political appeasement these vote banks have preferred to live as minorities, leaned on state protection seeking more benefits
through separate personnel laws and reservation. The sect leaders and clergymen not only strengthened their communal feelings but went to the extent of seeking emotional support from neighboring theocratic states to perpetuate terrorist activities on Indian soil. The recent pronouncements of Shahi Imam of Jama Masjid should caution the over secularist lobby in India. However, they are still trying to find excuse to prosecute Bal Thackery for his nationalism!

It is well known that illegal immigration is taking place in all the Border States where the minority groups shelter migrants, drug peddlers and infiltrators. Any attempt to flush out illegal migrants is resisted by unpatriotic political leaders throbbing on minority vote banks in the name of secularism. Can't we foresee that tomorrow-illegal migrants will demand separate ethnic identities and homeland with the support from foreign powers like NATO intervention in Yugoslavia?

With every day passing the situation is getting from bad to worse. The recent trend is reflected through frequent alignments of heterogeneous political parties trying to create political instability to retard
country's march towards progress. In the guise of preserving 'secularism' the forces actually propagating and practicing casteism and communalism have emerged as power brokers. Politicians are vying with each other to flatter minorities by bartering the interests of majority community to seek their electoral support in elections."

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September 03, 2005 Jihadists: "Allah punished New Orleans"
Walid Phares “allahu daraba al kafireen wal fasiqeen fi new orleen, wallahu daraba al mushrekeen el shiia fil iraq”
“Allah hit the infidels and the depraved in New Orleans, and Allah hit the Shiia apostate in Iraq.”
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Muslim missionaries questioned in terrorism probe
By Kelly Hearn THE WASHINGTON TIMES September 4, 2005

BUENOS AIRES -- Police have briefly detained dozens of Muslim missionaries from the Arab world and South Asia in recent months, acting on tips from Spanish and Italian officials investigating terrorist attacks in Europe.
Argentine newspapers reported that 26 members of Jamaat Tabligh, an Islamic missionary sect, had been held,
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Actor Sanjay Dutt allowed to go for shooting

Mumbai, Nov 6: A special court today exempted 85 accused in 1993 bomb blast case, including Bollywood star Sanjay Dutt, from personal appearance till December 2 and also allowed the actor to go to Kolkata for a month from November 11 for shooting.

TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ FRIDAY, JANUARY 21, 2005 11:20:20 PM ]
NEW DELHI: For criminals, terrorists and other offenders in India, global escape routes are slowly being squeezed and the world is getting less hospitable for them.

For people fleeing the Indian judicial system, like Bollywood music director Nadeem — who protested against returning to India on the grounds that he would be persecuted, this new provision might mean such appeals would have to be made from outside UK.
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"Instead of accountability, IMs (islamists left dumped on India) were given a free pass and worse, pandered to, by the Indian p-sec establishment, and the results were the Mumbai bombings, Kashmir, Godhra, Marad, and more." Hurl abuses only on M.Nam; for, only he can take it with composur. and only he can continue researching, when train coaches burn with the weakest innocents inside them! Of course, only the anti-Hindus can watch temple desecration with a smile!!

FINALLY - THIS SHOWS US HOW UNPREPARED WE ARE FOR A CONTINUING SAVAGE ATTACKS. So boycott and protest method is much better.
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Posted by KT.Rao on Sep 5, 2005

There is plenty of evidence that the following type of historic islamist addiction to barbaric violence continues to this day- "The earliest Muslim invasions into India were mostly entirely Sunni and their behavior was primarily limited to looting, genocide, temple destruction, rape and forced conversions"
not only "egregious and horrendous deaths of ten for something quite unrelated to India and Hindus - bad mouthing of islam by JERRY FALWELL; etc." but also shaking the so-called peaceful SOUTH that was rocked by ".. the serial blasts in Coimbatore, which killed over 60 people during Mr L.K. Advani’s electioneering in February 1998..." and the MARAD slaughter - that ppl like zoo al-Hindi zafar and deepsh*it dp rationalize - to the laurels of fellow vulgar type brutes who are also darn dishonest to the core!!

MNam, Does that mean no "alien culture" or no tricky views like p-secularism and p-democracy will be thrust on all of us, no ban on Hon Sri Togadia to move freely in his own country or speak his mind freely, no expectations of cultural homogeneity by catholic and arabic conversion mafia, no force to learn this or that language like urdu or arabic in madrasas, fianlly,
[Hurrah!] no sharia binding muslim women to eternal hell allowing them to date us ! That is wonderful. No one would object, I am sure.

Once it was Proud Hindu who asked zoo zafar that kuran is so militaristic that it even prescribes how to enter one's wife and ie what MNam has so wisely has captured-
"For any other behavior that is necessary for his day to day existence, he has to depend on specific instructions from the Enforcer – be it the Pope, or State or Mullah or Caliph, via a holy book, be it the Koran, Hadith, Bible etc. How many wives can one have? How to beat a recalcitrant wife?"

including instructions from the Enforcer if the public should pray in Latin or in local tongues or how many babies the family should plan for.

Thanks to traitors like nair and imposter 'indians' like bin-zafar who betray us at every chance, chauvinistic fantasies of pan-islamic caliphate is being propagandaized whether the duality of non-believer/believer social boundary is accepting or not.

What Seetha-ji calls "whimsical savagery" in this final q of akram dude-
"how do you explain vigillante justice whereby pakki and muslims left behind in Hindustan go on a killing spree at the slightest pretext - say, for the foul words of a distant christian Jerry Falwell in farway USA or shadow of a street carried Durga's statue falling on a mosque or pig running by a mosque?" is yet to be answered by anyone including pacifist humanist scholar, MNam, or anti-Hindu jihadi gangs here who continue to encourage jihadi violence both directly and indirectly.

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The cases of those savage attacks in your real life examples had no iota of justice - let alone vigilante (spelling?) justice. They were whimsical savagery purely based on virtually unlimited privileges that barbaric muslims of India have had all these centuries.

They even control what and how we think too, by a sewer full of wild lies too and mind games by the appointed multitude of journalists like mj akbar, seema musafa, etc. (ie why they called GODHRA carnage as 'incident' and our feeble postGodhra counter-terrorism mild attempt as 'genocide' - all part of their mind-game!!!!!!!) The christians who played themselves right into the hands of these savages, sleezily got Sriman Honorouble Modi-ji's visit aborted. Ie how they prop up 3rd rate actors like the different khans when mega stars like Vivek Oberoi and Shakti Kapoor have been most cunningly side-lined and even scoffed off. Mind games is just one of a number of different tactics they use, to amass wealth of the back of our poor masses. In return, we get more savage violence.

One result is the we-they polarisation manipulated by wily islamists like kalam who called BJP as communalists that has
easily be pitched one against the other "as hostile warring groups on an all-India basis by letting their religious identity overwhelm all other identities."

Another result is what you see as a spectre of macabre riots after riots almost every year. Number of rapes might be way beyond any official count. That many supporters of their hate idealogy feverishly spread more lies means that the Deobandhis and Tabl.. or whatever are not fringe loony groups either.

A third result is conversion assault targeting and preying on the most vulberable amongst us.

Conversion/evangelism means imposition of your 'superior' faith on me by sales and marketing tactics. It doesn't end there.

It next takes the form of several unending demands:=
A. job reservation throwing meritocracy to the winds and seizing what is rightly some deserving Dalit or meritorious Hindu;
B. robbing of more and more land for burial unlike Hindus who cremate/burn;
C. population explosion and number politics;
D. libellous scandalising of India overseas by denigrating India's image;
E. *worst* of all, continuing serial mass savage murders, physical and verbal abuse and rapes;
F. mafia type trafficking in women, guns, drugs, counterfeit, children, ..etc.
G. abduction, extortion, intimidation, ..etc.
H. Using the converted mass in the next election for vote bank politics to seizwe more power;

This vicious cycle has gone on endlessly over the last several decades.


If we consider them as one of us in terms of what we assume we know about them, "their beliefs, their tendencies and intentions", we are grossly wrong. They consider us as inferior/ghulams fit only to be ruled and/or ridiculed.
Sadly, it is well past the stage of tender love of many centuries and tough love of BJP years. Dialog never worked and there is every sign, it will never will, unless... Unless and until the justice is served by crack down and sweep of every mosque and even muslim homes to mop up arsenals like swords they in Marad mosque, Kerala.

I don't see any reason to agree with MNam on this,
"even the most communal Hindus who hate Muslims recognise that a person who does justice to his Varna should be encouraged. This is Hinduism's greatest strength."

Exact opposite, that is not our strength; our niceness has been taken as weakness and ie why barbaric muslim savagery has not ended and their usurpation of jobs from Dalits (and such grab and number politics) is getting even worse.

There is ample reason to worry how soon these savage bigots would take over our country and make it a pan-islamic caliphate [ie their agenda and that of their savage pakki fascist honchos across the borders].
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Posted by Moor Nam on Sep 4, 2

Pakistan values a book more than a human life. That is how millions have died by its war-mongering and grab policy centered on Kashmir and fascist domination over India where its agents raid our towns and cities including Ayodhya..
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Posted by Munir.Akram on Sep 4, 2005
Miriam, As someone said, "The distance between between Islam and Gandhism is 100 light years"
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I LIKED YOUR WORDS:=
"That your minority have been indulging in anti-Hindu and anti-national activities too long has been the thesis that was backed up with published facts by Mr Akram. What more concrete evidence do you need for the downward spiral India is facing ...
1. with 50% of the masses poor and impoverished?
2. With pakki driven naxal and muslim violence being unabated?
3. With conversion assaults continuing year after year?
4. With ruling politicians getting ever more unlawful in plundering the nation, even your Supreme Court being prejudiced and discriminatory against you?"
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But you forgot to mention the arab connection as here:=
++++"CUDDALORE, OCT. 28. The Cuddalore police claim to have busted a fundamentalist outfit — Manitha Neethi Pasarai (MNP) located at Nellikuppam — which has been allegedly converting Dalits into Islam and imparting training to them in handling weapons and martial arts. The police have rounded up 15 persons... and seized from them long sickles, **foreign-made**daggers, cellphones (one having Arabic names and numerals), audio and video cassettes, an amplifier, a binocular, a camera, digital diaries, incriminating documents and Rs. 85,000 (in the denomination of Rs. 500). But the masterminds, Khaja Mohideen (45) of Neyveli and Abdul Khani of Keezhakarai have escaped."

This happened a few months ago and notably conversion criminals were found to have **weapons** and some escaped.
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Another gruesome abrahamic/catholic holocaust of recent days cannot be explained by your theory and diagrams:=

Here is the old monster of the Inquisition and the Jesuit massacres of Peru and Colombia BACK, and they are now in the heart of Africa. It is beyond thinking that these servants of the Vatican could do such mindless acts. You readers who are so ignorant as to think that the old Whore of Rome has changed her ways, read and meditate please. Once a Whore, always a Whore, whether in collusion with Franco, "Dux" Mussolini, Hitler, or the Hutu terrorists.

Evil Christians By Elizabeth Neuffer Globe Staff, 12/12/96 Reprinted from The Boston Globe
http://www.ebeneezer.net/main/special/christian/xtian.html
Reprinted from The Boston Globe
So when the Hutu-led militia began killing Rwanda's Tutsi minority in 1994, thousands fled here, expecting refuge.
[BAD NUN]
Sister Bernadette Mukarusine is accused of aiding the Hutu and failing to shelter Tutsi refugees when fighting began in 1994. (GLOBE PHOTO / THOMAS JAMES HURST)
Instead, they met their death. A local priest, Rev. Athanase Serumba, is accused by survivors of having urged on Hutu soldiers attacking the church, and of then ordering the church bulldozed to the ground with bodies and some wounded inside.
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"No other nation has such a poor standard of politics because of mosque and church interference in its elections. Where is secularism or democracy in India? Does the majority rule India?

All the *fascists* are among the Indian minority - islamist vulgar brutes and swindling christians! Iraq is beginning to see savage attacks that India has been witnessing zillion times over many centuries to this day all over the nation. Read following news that would convince you to stop ongoing islamic barbarism!"

Twin blasts of and serial blasts in Bombay may not have been on a pogrom scale but they were well planned and coordinated - similarly every single savage attack that caused even one death like the death of RSS activists in W Bengal, Rajasthan and Kerala. ..etc. in the **very recent** weeks.

VERY MANY RIOTS HAVE OFTEN GONE UNREPORTED AND NOTABLY, POST BABRI TYPE SAVAGERY UNDER-REPORTED. AND MOST HAVE GONE UNPUNISHED TOO.

MIRIAM, WHY ARE THE ISLAMISTS SO GREEDY WORSE THAN THE WORST JEWS? Ref:=
"The Muslim businessmen in Panwad are affluent and many were engaged in moneylending at interest rates ranging between 60 to 120%."
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ONE GOOD QUESTION:=
Georgia had rose revolution.
Lebanon had cider revolution.
Ukraine had orange revolution.
How about a lotus or saffron revolution in India, M. NAM?
[You are demanding your freedom and you will have it!]

One final q:=
how do you explain vigillante justice whereby pakki and muslims left behind in Hindustan go on a killing spree at the slightest pretext - say, for the foul words of a distant christian Jerry Falwell in farway USA or shadow of a street carried Durga's statue falling on a mosque or pig running by a mosque?
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Posted by Miriam the Jew on Sep 4, 2005

In practical terms, withering away of violent islamists cant happen easily as long as the anti-Hindu pakkis are behind most hate-mongering thuggery and they cant think straight, causing most of the communal animosity prevailing there - in turn, causing precarious safety and economic conditions [arising from their war-mongering arms-race] with close to 50% poor and impoverished at this point in time.
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Posted by Miriam the Jew on Sep 4, 2005
Withering away of violent islamists can happen if there is no public support, absence of ignorant masses and wealth base. I think both Munir Akram and M. Nam meant this, former in terms of boycott, latter unfettered exploitation of the masses by the mullahs, government doing nothing about it [this is changing in UK where they are being kicked out or closely watched; in India, if this is desperately needed that might expose several arms caches].

Perhaps because the anti-Hindus' bigoted mind is playing tricks with them they cant thing straight and causes most of the communal animosity prevailing there and in turn precarious safety and economic conditions with close to 50% poor and impoversihed today.

Their prejudice against everything Hindu [read Indians] is so deep rooted, it is nearly impossible to get any meaningful and decent discussion going.

This is what I wrote way back,
"Part of what is going on with Gandhi's manipulative legacy was perhaps rooted and scripted in South African homes of the muslims that Gandhi frequented. Evidence is needed for the theory that the plot was hatched there; some might suspect Gandhi's use of the islamist word 'Khaffir' often against the local blacks and everything...(With 350 Years of Muslim Presence in South Africa, they are as powerful there as in India - go to http://www.jamiat.co.za/arrasheed/ar0801/350_years_of_muslims_in_south_africa.htm)
When he got off the ship from Africa, he had already thrown his western attire and had become a half-naked fakir - a Bollywood type drama in the making!!

That is why he condoned and not condemned savage violence against his fellow Hindus (and not even worms turn against their own kind). Referring to,
"A truly conceited man (someone called him a "publicist and a populist") with not even
1. basic humanity or 2. common decency," I must say that he was merely a puppet in the hands of the muslim puppeteers and his talk about searching for truth was inspite of the automaton he had been made into, scripted or programmed in his African days. There was not much truth or justice in what he promoted - brazen barbaric savagery by muslim villains.

(South African muslims are some of the richest:
"..These are difficult times for the ANC. In a separate scandal last week Jacob Zuma, the deputy president and Mr Mbeki's heir apparent, suffered the embarrassment of seeing a close friend and financial adviser,
Shabir Shaik, [another greedy UNLAWFUL MUSLIM] convicted of corruption. A court found "overwhelming evidence" that the relationship between the men was corrupt.

The verdict prompted renewed calls for Mr Zuma's resignation and deepened the sense that South Africa's political masters are little better than its previous ones...).."
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Finally, it is the Abrahamics who talk about 'pure' this, 'pure' that, a sort of language only Nazis were notorious for. [In this context, it is the the uncivil pakkis who sought to make 'pakistan' as the land of the pure!]
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Should one say your glorification of violence is repulsive and revulsive, as you dance around the issue with these words:
"ACTION is necessary and violence is sanctioned if there is no other recourse"?!

Maybe, Martyr [Shahid] the Most Honourable Godse took 'your type' of words too seriously to heart and eliminated a man who was preaching idle watching of serial mass murders of loved ones year after year, century after century by greedy, wily and sleezy islamist fascists.

In the light of society approved state revenge murders by prison hangings or electric chair, violence goes on even by state actors in the name of penal code punishment. Henc,e Godse's violence might well be justified, when state failed to hold back an evil man. It was that evil man who was behind now institutionalized occasions of serial mass murders over several decades of his life, especially by Jinah's sadists killers. Most of those crimes and the similar ones happening **now** are going largely unpunished, mostly unreported and evidently unrecorded for all eternity.

In that vein, Babri pogrom sequel is not highlighted while post-Godhra is so stressed beyond anyone's imagination with all sorts of lies, ignoring it was again re-ignited by the same criminals who committed Godhra even while the survivors were returning from the Hindu cremation ground.

Such is the intensity, scale and scope of continued violence and cover-up in the present day India from his legacy that people of your ilk fail to even grasp it to this day - the evil nature of the shadowy, dark anti-Hindu forces that **outsourced** serial mass murders in AP to topple BJP government to the naxals - basically by mafia type contract killings [similar type goes on by so-called maoist slaves of pakki fascists in Nepal].

Such is the evil legacy of gandhi, the muslim puppet. Gandhi not only said 'let them' but kept saying it, though he was **supposed** to be a mature adult at the ripe old age of 79 or whatever [he was not surely 29 or 39!].

Can you imagine one man like gandhi deciding the destiny of all the rest in any other country like UK/USA with absolutely no scope of counter-argument or checks and balances or with no one challenging him merely because of his pre-eminent cult status with everyone worshipping him as another Hindu deity?

Note- We have such deities even now in the seat of Rashtrapati, and in persons of bollywood khans, premji..etc and state actor m.s. aiyar who is deciding on behalf of one billion how quickly all the billions are to be spent on oil pipeline mega-project]. God save Mother India!..!

Posted by: Munir Akram, United States, 02-06-2005 at 0606 hours IST
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Basic problem is the ruling party is not doing enough to protect the public and is in fact worsening it by allowing the war mongering rogue nation to send more criminals in, as if the hate mongers already left abandoned in 1947 are not enough of a burden. Those 130+ mil dumped on trusting Indians are proving to be quite a liability, with millions - 18 mil at last count - of bangla muslimes illegally on your soil, as well. With many of the islamists receiving national awards on R-Day, they would be more daring to sponsor more criminal violence such as the seemingly innocuous fire that took 300+ lives near Satara, that has many similarities to Godhra - fire, women+children as victims, western region..etc. The islamists have instantly become above law, as no one'd dare to investigate their evil deeds.

Sikhs are loyal to the Indian cause. I share Dr Ambedkar's view that we cant expect the same loyalty from the islamists who always put their religion 1st above all else. Hence, Kashmir betrayal of October 1948 doent surprise me. What does is the apathy of ordinary Indians and pro-Indians like Gail are yet to see that the minority of India
have excessive power that Dr-A realized a long, long ago!

What does surprise me again is why most of us dont take seriously the excessive power that our wily neighbor is wieldding in our lives and livelihoods [ref- "that is why Pakistan always tries to creat a rift between Hindus and Sikhs."]

Consider this, the islamist usurpers got more than three universities for themselves- AMU, Jamia Milia Islamia, Dr Zakir Hussain College, Anglo-Arab College..etc. and when they shed fake tears NOW for Harijans, could we trust them? Similarly, when Catholics like Arundati Roy shed crocodile tears for Harijans, it is hard to believe their sincerety, knowing they grossly ill-treat the Harijans.

The powerful minority of Dr-Ambedkar's times have gotten far more powerful now than ever, thanks to Sonia and the Pope and 'secular' pro-islamists who dont see the rampant interference of churches and mosques as anti-secular and denial of rights of Indians to rule themselves as a majority political demands

There is every evidence that even after conversion, dicriminaiton continues. Recent news reported that one Dalit Christian was refused cemetery plot and he buried his loved own in his own yard!
** What rightly belongs to Dalits is being robbed by the islamists too.
** So, non-violent Dalits deserve the most and not the usurping minority!!..!
** No one did anything for DALITS - Not MOGULS, NOT THE BRITS, NOT CONGRESS-WALAS...Hence the concern for them.
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How else can you explain the most vulgar dethroning of an elected Chief Minister like Ms Uma Bharati of MP and this case of HinduPope? (Enthroning Kalam was not perhaps illegal but dethroning of an elected Chief Minister surely was or has been).

Certainly, rule of law does not prevail in India where the majority do not rule but the colonial remnants do - those who wont let go of their stranglehold on power, prevail after first foothold, then stronghold. They have become most presumbly too comfortable with the cheap thrills of exploitation of the Hindu men and sexploitation of their women. I think getting rich at their expense seems to be the best benefit of the neo-colonial fascists, Bollywood (including Shah Rukh) Khans and Kalam being the prime examples. I imagine all this stems from religious colonialism, political colonialism and economic colonialism, cultural colonialism, ..etc One true Indian wrote, "Media selective targetting of Hindus and support for jihadis and commies is disgusting." I might add preying on Hindu vulnerability by successive weakening them in all aspects of matters.
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Gang-rape in Sui
Malik Imran
January 20, 2005
http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00004626&channel=civic%20center

Even today our erstwhile Pakistani brethren of the Eastern wing accuse Pak army of countless rapes and unexplainable atrocities. Obviously, the Sui-tragedy is not a one-time aberration; rape seems to be an institutional feature of the Pak army, on home-turf and foreign soil alike. See, we nurture the defenders of our geographical and ideological frontiers with our blood and sweat, we sustain them with our hard-earned money; they rape pay it back by raping their own sisters– presumably in larger national interests.

To put these extremely repulsive episodes in perspective let me add that so far there are no reports accusing Americans of raping, let alone gang-raping, Iraqi women. Israelis may be blamed for every type of savagery under the sun but Palestinians have never charged Israelis sexually abusing their womenfolk. One may google to confirm this assertion.

#965 dead in Baghdad stampede
465 hurt as bridge railing collapses amid panic near mosque
The stampede occurred at about 11:30 a.m. (3:30 a.m. EDT) near the mosque.

As the people made their way to the mosque, authorities said, it appeared that someone in the crowd stoked fears about a bomber, apparently sparking widespread chaos among the crush of people.

In the confusion, the crowd pushed against a railing on a bridge over the Tigris River, forcing it to collapse and sending dozens into the water. Police said most people drowned but some people were crushed to death.

(See 'The Death of Reform'
In India these days, don't believe everything you read.
http://www.sulekha.com/news/nhc.aspx?cid=433157
By Jason Overdorf
Newsweek International

Sept. 5, 2005 issue - Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's yearlong reign has been a balancing act, as he endeavors to live up to his reputation as the father of India's economic reforms without alienating the left-wing parties that his coalition government needs to survive. But lately, as his Congress party wrangles with the communists, the balance has been tipping. One by one, bold reforms are getting killed or shelved. These days Singh talks of the need for politicians to compromise in order to survive in office.
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Special Task Force captures Bihar's Osama
SANJAY SINGH

TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ SUNDAY, MAY 04, 2003 01:24:43 AM ]
PATNA: Sultan Mian, one of the most wanted criminals of Bihar also notorious as a "contract killer", was nabbed by a team of the state's special task force (STF) from a house at Daldari Gali in Siwan town on early Saturday morning.

The police also "recovered" one Kanchan Mishra,who Sultan was alleged to have forcibly wedded a few months back. The alleged abduction of Mishra by Sultan, an already married woman who used to work in a gents' parlour in Patna, had rocked the state in December last year, prompting the National Commission for Women to direct the state police to recover and produce her before it. A team of Patna police has been sent to Siwan for bringing Mishra to Patna. The police are likely to produce her before the commission soon.

Sultan, the main accused in the sensational case of murder of prominent Patna Sahib businessman Manoj Kamalia, was carrying a cash reward of Rs 50,000 on his head. Police sources said he was considered a terror by businessmen.

Sultan is wanted by the police in connection with more than two dozen cases of murder, kidnapping and extortion, lodged with different police stations of Patna. "He made a bid to escape from the spot by jumping from the third floor of the house raided by us," STF SP B K Singh said, adding that he could not succeed as the STF had cordoned off the area before raiding the house.

According to Singh, the raiding STF team was led by DSPs Sanjay Kumar and Dilnawaz Ahmed. In fact, the two officers had been trailing Sultan in Siwan for the last three days. After capturing him, the STF team handed over Sultan to the Siwan district police.

In March 2001, Sultan along with the son of a senior police officer was arrested by the Patna police in connection with the murder of a shopkeeper and sent to jail. After he was released on bail, he rejoined the world of crime, the sources said, adding he also enjoyed political patronage and is considered close to a controversial MP from the state.

Sultan's name hit the headlines when a three-member NCW team pulled up the state police for its failure to produce Kanchan before it within stipulated time. Explaining the police failure to nab Sultan, the then state DGP, R R Prasad, had once described him as "Bihar's Osama bin Laden".
NCW directs Bihar DG to free Kanchan
PRESS TRUST OF INDIA
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Posted online: Monday, May 12, 2003 at 0000 hours IST

NEW DELHI, MAY 11: In a twist to the controversy over the kidnapping of Kanchan Mishra and forcible marriage with Bihar’s most-wanted criminal Sultan Mian, Mishra has told the National Commission for Women (NCW) that the marriage was ‘‘consensual’’. After the deposition, the NCW wrote to Bihar DGP asking him to release her. Kanchan also said she ‘‘loved Mian and wanted to stay with him’’, the Commission said.

NCW chairperson Purnima Advani, however, said she looked ‘‘scared’’. The deposition came within days of Mian’s arrest in Bihar’s Siwan district. Kanchan was arrested to be produced before the NCW after the commission had summoned them to do so in Karnataka where the govt is a true b@$t@rd in the sense a coalition was whipped out of nowhere even though the mandate was against the ruling party.


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Deport criminals: India tells Pakistan

August 29, 2005 14:11 IST

Home Secretary V K Duggal said he will request his Pakistani counterpart for deportation of all wanted people from their soil so that they could face trial.


Dawood is wanted in India in connection with the 1993 serial blasts in Mumbai and other serious crimes.

"He is very much in our sights," Mulford said without elaborating. India had, on Monday, sought the deportation of Dawood and 30 other wanted people during the home secretary-level talks but Pakistan had said that the underworld don was not in the country, and lived "somewhere else".
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Tax fraud: KPMG pays $456 mn fine

August 30, 2005 20:19 IST

US government lawyers decided to settle a tax fraud investigation of KPMG rather than pursue criminal charges to avoid the possibility of duplicating the loss of thousands of jobs that came after the prosecution of another accounting firm, Arthur Andersen.
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'Veiled' moral policing in J&K

Mukhtar Ahmad In Srinagar | August 31, 2005 00:56 IST

Concerned with what it said was the "growing flesh trade" in the valley, women's separatist group Dukhtarani Millat has stepped in to do the "moral policing" and "eradicate the menace".

The Dukhtarani Millat (Daughters of Faith) on Tuesday claimed to have formed "Mariam Squads," calling on the public in general to inform the outfit about any "redlight activity" in their area and also gave phone numbers for the purpose.

"We have given our phone numbers and received a number of calls from various localities asking the squad members to raid the houses where such clandestine activities were going on," Aasiya Andrabi told local journalists.

Veiled moral policing in J&K

"The squad raided a house in Sonwar locality in city uptown. The male members fled from the spot while the women present there admitted their involvement in immoral activities."

"The squad members later raided some restaurants in city. There were teenaged boys and girls and the squad members took their phone numbers. We will talk to their parents later."

Dukhtaran-e-Milat, had earlier started a campaign against obscenity and for observance of Islamic dress code in Kashmir in 1990.

Besides obliterating posters depicting women in bad taste, the outfit banned beauty parlours where local females went for getting themselves a facelift.

The Dukhtaran diktat in fact assumed significance as more and more local women attired themselves in the specified dresses. After a few years the Dukhtaran grip on local women loosened and they latter once again started moving out without burka.

"We will continue our campaign against the immoral activities and against those who provide shelter for such activities," said Andrabi.



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Premji's five mantras to transform India

Indo-Asian News Service

New Delhi, August 30, 2005

IT major Wipro group's chairman Azim Premji on Tuesday spelt out a five-point mantra that he said would completely transform India socially and economically.

Drawing parallels with India's knowledge industry, Premji however said his five-point strategy comprised initiatives on land reforms, energy, health, primary education and interlinking of rivers that were no short-term drivers.
"We must overhaul our land laws, taxes and information system. Some 90 per cent of land in India is subject to legal disputes over ownership," said Premji, who transformed Wipro from a family business into one of India's largest IT firms.

"Less than 40 per cent of cultivable land is under assured irrigation. Ground water table is declining at the rate of five percent every year," he said, adding that water shortage will create barriers to growth in the medium term.
wipro communalist

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Kamal, whom Americans call Camel, is a not-so-hapless Hindu friend that lives in the Bible belt. He always looks forward to the opportunity of meeting the next missionary. Camel believes that beauty is in the eyes of beer-holder and enjoys reading Osho. Here is a conversation he had with a Christian missionary:

Missionary: Hi Camel, don’t you want to save yourself?
Camel: Save myself from what?

Missionary: Save yourself from hell. Do you know that if you don’t accept Jesus Christ as your savior and get baptized, you will go to hell forever?
Camel: I see. My parents died Hindus. So did my grandfather, who also occasionally smoked marijuana. Will they go to hell?

Missionary: [Feigning pity] Yes, I am so sorry to say this, but you have the chance to save yourself and your family.
Camel: What about my drinking buddy from the West Coast? He gets drunk and calls God filthy names.

Missionary: [Red in the face] Jesus Christ! He will certainly go to hell.
Camel: My parrot? She enjoys sex with her boy parrot friend?

Missionary: Terrible! She will go to hell with her boy parrot friend. Jesus really, really hated sex. Anyone that enjoys sex will burn in hell forever.
Camel: I see. That brings up the question about me and my wife. We have mastered all but two techniques of Kamasutra. How will Christ judge us?

Missionary: Very bad, very bad. When good Christians have sex even they can’t tell it happened. Really good Christians castrate themselves. Please, please accept Jesus, give up sex and be saved from hell.
Camel: [After a moment of reflection] You know what, I want to go to hell.

Missionary: [Now confused] You want to go to hell? I don’t understand this.
Camel: Yes. What will I do in heaven anyway? You have your Jesus Christ, very moral Christians like yourself and certainly no sex and no calling names in heaven. I will get bored in a day. Now that you have confirmed that everyone I like – my wife, parents, grandfather, drinking buddy and parrot – will go to hell, I want to go to hell and have a nice time with them. I don’t want to go to heaven even by mistake. Can you please tell me how I can ensure that I will go to hell?

The confused missionary promised to come back when Camel gets sober and Camel is still waiting. Can some other Christian missionary please guide Camel to hell?


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Both of us are christians and nobody can judge us or tell us what is right or wrong or that we are not christians

Their comes a point where people need to realize that you have to let others live how they want to and there is nothing you can do to stop it.
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Not all of the warmth to muslims has been useful.

The very concept of 'culture' came into prominence only in the last century; earlier the concept of 'race' was more prominent. Everybody tends to hype the scientific achievements of the western Christian 'culture.' It produced expensive fertilizers and herbicides but depleted micro-nutrients and caused wide=spread cancer from those chemicals. Now we are back to organic farming that is old style farming. Western science produced foam bed but caused body ache and neck pain. Now we are asked to use mats and hard floors that the pop artists are popularizing. Western science produced cell phone that has been suspect in causing brain tumor and so on...

Worst of all, western scientific culture produced 'eugenics' - the dreaded nazi weapon...but before nazi's the cultured westerners used it as a more vicious and sinister weapon.

Racist people like Francis Galton, Charles Davenport (whose treatise, 'Eugenics: The Science of Human Improvement by Better Breeding' is notorious) and Arthur Estabrook were the pioneers in this field.

Referring to this web-site
http://www.eugenicsarchive.org/eugenics/
you get to read this,
"Eugenics was, quite literally, an effort to breed better human beings – by encouraging the reproduction of people with "good" genes and discouraging those with "bad" genes. Eugenicists effectively lobbied for social legislation to keep racial and ethnic groups separate, to restrict immigration from southern and eastern Europe, and to sterilize people considered "genetically unfit." Elements of the American eugenics movement were models for the Nazis, whose radical adaptation of eugenics culminated in the Holocaust....

For example, "feeblemindedness" was used as a catch-all for a number of real and supposed mental disabilities, and was a common "diagnosis" used to make members of ethnic and racial minority groups appear inferior."

Even immigration restriction in USA was based on eugenics.

How can the westerners be proud of their 'sanskriti' or culture? The muslim kids of war-mongering Fakistan are taught hate (Indian muslims are perhaps naturally hateful or might be taught to hate in madrasas too) by texts that are saying, Jews are abominable 'money-lenders' and christians are 'vengeful conquerers' as here below,

Aug 18, 2005 LA Times Posted by Mee Mumbaikar

In Pakistan's Public Schools, Jihad Still Part of Lesson Plan
The Muslim nation's public school texts still promote hatred and jihad, reformers say. By Paul Watson, Times Staff Writer
LAHORE, Pakistan — Each year, thousands of Pakistani children learn from history books that Jews are tightfisted moneylenders and Christians vengeful conquerors. One textbook tells kids they should be willing to die as martyrs for Islam."

Which is superior culture the islamist one that preaches hate and bigotry? Or the christian one?
(the christian one that gloats on its 'eugenics' type scientific achievement that amounts to more a negative picture than a positive one!). To conclude, the MoQ of Indic culture is far superior - the culture that gave us the dictum or tenets like, "Treat guests like God" - (Athithi devo bhavah), Vasudeva Kutumpakkam (Whole world is one family), Sarve Janah Sukhino Bhavantu (Let everyone be happy!) ..etc.

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Azim Premji is a Ismayeli khoja or Agha Khani as they are known, he is a cousin of mark premji of Atlanta who does bollywood shows. originally they are from saurashtra gujrat who speak kutchi and gujarati.

All agha Khanis are shias who dont go to mosque, they have their own jamatkhanas, exclusive for them.

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It does not matter as to the Religious bent of Aziz Premji. The man is an Indian.

So was Dawood Ibrahim, but lo n behold, pakistani he became. Ten more a la Tiger memon who fled India after blasting their own -- Bombay.

You must know their modus operundi and their agenda, before you equate them to India.

Circumspection is a proper terminology for us to use when involved with them.
Nothing wrong, when you hear them say vande matram is not for them.

What you infer from above?
Islam comes first, everything else later for them.
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Posted by AmericanForIndia on Aug 20, 2005

Yes, lack of MoQ exploitation need not be exhibited/manifested by simple and lowly western style capitalist business culture. It can be exercized with the power of mass indoctrination as in the case of bollywood movies brainwashing the society that muslim actors - like the zillion "filthy rich" khans - are to be worshiped as cult heros and Hindu stars are villains. Or via cricket that instills western values.

Or by savage intimidation:
Some time ago, a Hindu man married a musim woman but it was so savagely opposed by the female's gang that the gang murdered his brother. Let me remind the readers that savage incident by quoting myself:
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AmericanForIndia 's comment on
Hindu marries Muslim, angry mob kills brother [ Posted by AryaPutr ]

It is all one-sided imbalance. It is fine for vulgar muslim brutes to marry Hindu women and convert them but not the other way around.

Bollywood keeps popularizing the image of one dirty **old** muslim actor dancing with several Hindu *teens* but surely not any movie star from the Hindu society with a bunch of muslim women.

I was right when I said the savage vermins left dumped on India in 1947 are more of a burden than you ever imagined and one that you Indians have been carrying for far too long. It is someone else burden - it is the burden of pakki fascists.

Look at this mob of such criminal degenerate vermins that showed another sign of mobocracy, yet another time. It is time you realized that postGodhra was too mild a deterrent.

Who will compensate the family of the victims? Will any of the rich wipro type barbarians step up to the plate?
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I bet no one - not even the filthy rich bollywood khans - ever did even compensate the family of the victim. They surely didn't for the 50+ victims of Godhra or 2000+ victims of babri pogrom and other gazillion pogroms of the last eight hundred years. The islamist MoQ is savagely far worse than any lowly culture of western capitalism.
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Posted by Seetha Raghavan on Aug 19, 2005

Munir is 100% right when you say, "Now it is perfectly normal and not illegal to take large sums of money for small salaried jobs." My own niece is jobless as she is unable to afford this type of extotion of money even beofre the applicant is offerted any job, w/o guarantee of any job security. In fact, because of the large deposit, the applicant might feel obliged to submit to the slavish and servile conditions of employment in the highly exploitative business like wipro.

My niece had earlier to surrender hugh capitation fees too, for admission into college, because she is from the upper caste and most seats are taken away by such kids like the "under-privileged" christian children of say, a rich government bureaucrat whose caste might have once been Dalit before he became a christian. Things are getting worse for well-deserving people of merit. Visas for naitons where merit is recognised is hard to come by, as the West gives out visas (especially, immigration type) to christians more easily.
(I have often seen local christian priests hanging around the consul-office to which we have but all too difficult access).


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Posted by Miriam the Jew on Aug 19, 2005

Thanks to Mr Akram, more areas of exploitation have been brought to light. Isn't ridiculous and exploitative that Wipro and other companies are charging huge fees upfront even before offering jobs?

Why is the Government not protecting the public from savagely greedy blood-suckers?

Of course, the greedy and dishonest cricket and bollywood mafia have long been leeching the poor public by gradually depleting the meager resources of the larger civil society too. Only way to teach the criminals and thugs some lessons is to *boycott* their business.

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Posted by Munir.Akram on Aug 19, 2005


Business or capitalism is NOT the only means of exploitation. Direct and indirect exploitation of Indians have been continuing for centuries, ever since mogul colonialism.

Drinking water that was free, costs money now [even food was free at one time before the muslim invasion as it is even now in Gurudhwara of Sikhs].

Multiplier effect is an alien trick played by muslims and christians on native Indians of India for several decades now. Amassing of large wealth by way of high tuition fees by latter and movie and DVD/CD revenues by former has been blighting the poor and gullible masses of India for several
100 years now. [*Multiplier* effect works like this- even one rupee from one billion ignorant masses become ONE BILLION RUPEES! British used that trick to amass wealth selling the finished shirts to Indians after stealing out their raw cotton from India].

Asim Premji, the owner of Wipro, who drove out his christian deputy out of more greed - is a billionaire but takes your money and my money for even getting a job as deposit and so do many before hiring. Now it is perfectly normal and not illegal to take large sums of money for small salaried jobs].

BOLLYWOOD, CRICKET, INSURANCE COMPANIES AND LOAN-SHARKS LIKE CITI BANK HAVE ALL BEEN THRUST ON INDIANS SUBTLY or otherwise. Bogus schemes called 'pyramid' schemes [AmWay is a nasty example] are now spreading like wild fire promoted by AP christian govt and wipro premji.

Other fraudulent, leech type blood-sucking entities have been draining Indian pockets- CORPORATE CROOKS LIKE ENRON, AM-WAY, 3rd RATE FORD CARS, HOME-BASED BUSINESS.... ON INDIANS - all this is just a tip of the ice berg, the criminal exploitation like ongoing rapes of minors by catholics that is known the world over but unreported in Holy Land of India, trafficking in women, children, weapons, drugs, ETC.

Those who hate Hindus [namely, pakki fascists and their dishonest hateful slaves inside India] exploit them the most. Yet hate of the anti-Hindus is returned with love and kindness by trusting Hindus.

SO MANY SIMILAR ATROCITIES ARE ONGOING - ROBBING OF YOUR LANDS and wealth , RAPING YOUR WOMEN AND GIRLS, DESECRATING YOUR TEMPLES. MOST LIKE SAPPING BUSINESS PRACTICES ARE GOING LARGELY UNPUNISHED, UNREPORTED AND UNCHECKED - It is clear by supporting AID and its sister outfits, you are aiding and abetting criminals, anti-Hindus and anti-nationals to further worsen the law and order situation in India. [EVENGELIST NGO'S THAT ARE ACTUALLY A BURDEN ON INDIANS AS THEY ARE CONVERSION MAFIA INDULGED IN THE BUSINESS OF MARKETING AND SALE OF JESUS. [It is the native Indians who are 2nd class citizens as evidenced by these facts- One of the Rajyasabha members from Kerala, a muslim, declared properties worth 140 crores. Top movie stars in Bollywood are filthy rich muslims who became so rich at the expense of poor Indian masses.
A muslim is president of India, the first citizen.
Muslims are ministers in the cabinet and the ruling political party.
We have national holidays on Muslim festival days.
PM hosted an iftar for Ramzan.
In AP, Government declared job reservation for Muslims. There are muslims MPs, Muslim MLAs in the country. Still, the fascist muslims want to rob and exploit Indians more].

UNLESS HINDUS WAKE UP AND BEGIN BOYCOTTING THOSE EXPLOITING THEM, HATEFUL EXPLOITATION BY WAR-MONGERING PAKKIS AND HATE-MONGERING MINORITY MIGHT WELL CONTINUE.


With no sweep-up of mosques, VHP/BJP has given the jihadi outfits more opportunity to train and recruitmentt more savage terro - given the sacrifices they v made, they can afford to take any more risks - in terms of the heavy price human lives and
Those outfits got where they are largely because of the VHP/BJP;

The public trust that the VHP/BJP have good and clean leaders and do the right thing for the country.
But despite all the good intentions and clean record of VHP/BJP, the political violence and vote bank politics make even winning of election by these representing *majority* population has been made impossible.

Primary and the most desirably remarkable thing about VHP/BJP is that they dont have any ulterior motives since they are all basically human rights activists.

Bangkok hub of fake Indian currency notes
Aug 20, 2005 Times of India Posted by parsuram

Intelligence agencies have found that D-company pointman Aftab Batki is using Bangkok to print counterfeit Indian currency. Chinese and South Korean carriers are then used to carry these into India. IB and RAW revealed this to CBI on Thursday, outlining the Pakistani ISI’s plans to use Dawood Ibrahim’s network across Thailand, Nepal, Bangladesh, Dubai and India for financing terrorist activities and destabilising the Indian economy in the long run through circulation of fake Indian currency notes (FICNs).


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Posted by KT.Rao on Aug 20, 2005

This one career trajectory of a regular old bureaucrat more than ordinarily depicts hyper-capitalism and the rot of corruption [corruption that originated with mogul occupation of our lands] impacting our daily lives-
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Y P Singh joined the Indian Police Service in 1985.

During his stint, he dealt with high-profile cases like the US-64 scam and the Panna-Mukta oilfield deal. But he was often at odds with the powers-that-be because his investigations uncovered uncomfortable facts, which he was not willing to conceal, at any cost.

To prevent him from disturbing the status quo, he was shunted to insignificant postings while his contemporaries received accolades, medals and promotions.

Nearly 20 years later, he quit [his resignation is yet to be accepted] because he couldn't take the harassment; he was hounded for being honest.

In his resignation letter to the secretary, Union ministry of home affairs, Singh said, 'Despite being one of the most outstanding officers of the country, I exist, debilitated and belittled, like a living corpse.'

After learning of Singh's decision, director general of police (retired) S S Puri, said: 'It's a sad day for the IPS and the Maharashtra police when upright officers feel coerced to leave public service before completing their tenure.'

Singh spoke to Senior Copy Editor Salil Kumar and Senior Correspondent Vijay Singh about his career, some of the cases he handled and corruption in the police force. The first of a two-part interview:

You experienced work-related problems for a long time. What is the immediate reason for your resignation?

The decision was taken after several years of deliberation.

What was the provocation?

It was a cumulative effect. In 1996, I was working in the CBI when I was asked to return to my parent cadre. I belong to the Maharashtra cadre. At that time I was trying to expose very big scams, including the one in the Unit Trust of India.

Finally, in 2001, when the US-64 scam became public, about 2 crore people, mostly middle-class Indians, lost money.

When a person is doing outstanding work in an organisation like the CBI but is ill-treated while the corrupt ones are honoured with medals and promotions, I knew that I could not sustain myself in the police force.

The easy course would have been to shake hands with the corrupt and enjoy the best of life. I decided not to take that course. Instead, I studied law and got a degree.

Who was responsible for the UTI scam?

It was the organisation as such? It did not happen in a day but was the result of ten years of mismanagement. The mismanagement peaked around 1994-1995.

When S A Dave was the chairman?

Yes. Under him, UTI repeatedly made dubious investments, including some in contravention of rules and regulations.

Can you be more specific?

It was openly investing in securities banned by the Securities and Exchange Board of India, saying UTI was not governed by SEBI rules. They were investing in lock-in shares and debentures of companies.

If questions had been raised about these issues in 1991, we would not have had the US-64 scam.

Did politicians let the people down? Were they involved?

Without political support, such big scams cannot take place. Only when you try to unravel the truth will you come to know whether politicians were involved. But the truth is not allowed to come out at all!

The Panna-Mukta oilfield case was the most controversial one you handled. Can you tell us something about it?

The Oil and Natural Gas Commission had discovered the oilfield. It was literally screaming in despair when it was told by the government to share it with private companies. ONGC officials were unhappy as it had huge potential. Their argument was that if the government wants to give away something, let it give an undiscovered oilfield.

How much did the government lose?

There has been no calculation of that. The entire oilfield was almost given free of cost -- ONGC retained 40% ownership while Reliance and Enron shared the rest.

How much oil does it produce?

Around 4 to 5 million tonnes per annum (India's oil consumption is around 110 million tonnes). The government gave such an oilfield virtually free to private companies.

The CBI was very angry with me for investigating the deal. They tried to hush up the case. Its officials cut my phone, withdrew my car, my assistants, deputed men to get my house vacated. The Supreme Court passed strictures against the CBI officers. But no action was taken against them.

When I was thrown out of the CBI, I went to the Central Administrative Tribunal and complained against the agency.

You are never able to complete your investigations.

A case can be concluded if one officer handles it from beginning to end. Often, midway through an investigation, the investigation officer is transferred. Then it takes just one corrupt officer to ruin a case.

You also opposed the merger of the Global Trust Bank with the Oriental Bank of Commerce. Why?

The merger protected the interests of the depositors, but not the shareholders. The equity was wiped off. Besides this, there were certain violations of the law for which nobody has been held accountable.

Who was responsible?

The Reserve Bank of India. The problem was in the offing for the last three or four years. Even towards the end, the RBI put out a press note saying that GTB was in a very good condition. When the RBI knew the bank was in bad shape, why did it issue a press note misguiding the people?

Coming to corruption in the police force, is an IPS official more likely to be corrupt than a constable?

The general perception is that corruption is linked to salary. But it is not so. Senior officers often earn at least five or six times more than constables, who earn about Rs 5,000 per month. Plus they get perks like official accommodation, car with driver, domestic help, telephone, yet he is more corrupt. The more money they make, the greedier they become.

An officer earning Rs 30,000 wants a crore of rupees. He starts taking bribes. Then he wants Rs 3 crore, then Rs 5 crore; it never ends.

So there is no link between salary and corruption. Corruption is basically a state of mind. It is linked to greed. Otherwise, how is it you can find more honest constables than senior officers?

Also, corruption can be divided into various degrees. Some officers are honest to the core. They will not allow other people to demand or accept bribes. There are very few people like this.

Some won't take money but won't stop others from doing so. They are honest people, but spineless. I say a spineless man is a dead man. So we have officers who are honest but dead.

Corruption has been institutionalised in the police force. So there are some officers who only take money, which comes in the routine course of duty.

And then there are the vultures. The bribes that come in the routine course are just not enough for them. They are always looking for avenues to secure more.

What is the potential for earning in the IPS?

If he is in a good posting in a city like Mumbai, a vulture can earn around Rs 25 lakh to Rs 30 lakh per month from ladies bars alone.

In one month?

Yes. Some ladies bars pay up to Rs 5 lakh per month in bribes while the smaller ones pay up to Rs 100,000.

Do all ladies bars in Mumbai have to pay bribes?

They cannot function otherwise.

Are all the top officers in the city corrupt?

No. Some will demand bribes, not all. But those who are not demanding bribes are not doing anything to curb the activities of those who are and, hence, are ineffective.

Also, there is a reasoning behind the corruption. If you paid bribes to obtain a certain posting, then you are fearless. You can recover that money, and more, through bribes. There is nobody to stop you.

If you did not pay, the same posting may fetch a much smaller amount in bribes. The reason is that since bribes were not paid to higher-ups, the officer is afraid to demand any from the public fearing disciplinary action.

You have mentioned in your book that the IPS has become a lobbying ground for posts. Can you explain that?

IPS postings are put up for sale. You have to approach an agent or a politician?

Who are these agents?

Anybody can be an agent. Generally, these are people who know politicians, bureaucrats, police officers and businessmen. If an officer wants a posting, he will contact an agent. The agent will know the concerned people, senior officers, ministers. There are a lot of agents, powerbrokers. They get the work done.

Has there been any improvement after the Telgi scam?

No. If there are 100 corrupt officers, only one or two were caught. What difference does it make? The others are more careful now. Everything is as it was earlier.

Are you saying that Mumbai does not have a single police officer with spine?

If anyone has spine, he will be in the position I am in today.
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Munir.Akram 's comment on
Allure Of The Demonic [ Posted by Zafar ]

Most Honourable Savarkar and others like him had long predicted the evil designs of pakki fascists and the left over 'shaitans' orphaned and abandoned by the dead beat pakki fascist dads.

The evil designs are becoming more apparent by the day-
A. Population explosion among jihadi ranks;
B. Arms and drug inflow via Kashmir and other routes and influx of more jihadi savages;
C. Conversion mafia busy at work competeing with catholic crooks;
D. Grabbing more and more by rape, riot, robbing tactics; etc.

Had the HIndu leaders heeded Most Honourable Savarkar's words of wisdom, the ordinary Indian masses might have been spared the bloodshed from the dishonest savage jihadis who continue their babarism for one more century by serial mass murders driven by hate, lust, greed, etc.

Seetha Raghavan 's comment on
Tourist killed at Gateway of India [ Posted by India ]

Savage effect of madrasa has clearly seen in 9-11/3-11/7-7 of USA/SPAIN AND UK. We have had zillion savage attacks NOT one like 7-7 of UK.

Savage effect of madrasa is clearer in our Holy Land and so, immediate investigation into what goes on in there, like in U.K is most critical. Brits have kicked out many savage imams and such criminal types are hiding in zillion rat holes in India.

As someone said the same savage gangs in Anjuman-e-Islam, Tamil Nadu Muslim Munnetra Kazhagam (TMMK), SIMI, AMU, CONGRESS PARTY, WAQF BOARD, AIMPLB, Jamat e Islami Hind, Tabligh-e-Jamat, Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT), Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) might be implicated in the following high profile crimes too-
**** beginning in Jinah's serial mass murders worst of which was when british arrested caliph of turkey, a rampage in Kerala saw slaughter of 1000's of Hindus; or is it from the days of the invasion of your Holy Land by the savage muslim barbarians;
**** * in 1948 the killing fields by vigilantte criminals who tried to wipe out RSS right after M.K. Gandhi was sent to heaven;

**** * in 1969, when israeli army entered alaqsa mosque thousands of miles away, Hindus were butchered - for no fault; ;
**** * The muslim savage primitives have "mistook silence for consent" to murder at will. "The vicissitudes of colonial politics" is still dogging the noble and civilized vedic society.

**** * more than 300 SATARA pilgrims were burnt alive at Wei - victims mostly women and children much like Godhra signature pogrom;

**** * in 1969, when israeli army entered alaqsa mosque thousands of miles away, hindus were butchered - for no fault;

**** * when ten Hindus were killed in Sholapur MH under the pretext of protesting an American's [Jerry Falwell] remarks in far away USA;

**** * when the muslims rioted in parts of Mumbai specifically targeting hindu property while protesting against the already banned rushdies satanic verses book;
**** * tens killed at the Gateway of India during twin blasts of Bombay, MARAD, GODHRA, temples, trains and buses for no apparent reason;

**** * "In 1946 or thereabouts the Muslim atrocities perpetrated on Hindus under the Government patronage of Suhrawardy in Noakhali that made your blood boil;"
**** * when the anti-Indians went on rampage causing injury to people and damage to property when USA attacked Iraq;

**** * thousands murdered for a pig running by an unholy mosque; * when the colonialists often stone Hindu street functions;

**** * 32 Hindus were killed in the savage attack of Akshardham temple;

**** * the serial blasts in Coimbatore, which killed over 60 people during Mr L.K. Advani’s electioneering in February 1998, the news report was "Top leaders of Al-Umma and Jihad Committee were arrested for the blasts."

**** * equating the regain of ancient property for an old unused bldg called babri in 1992-93 in December 6, 1992 to lost lives of more than 2000 plotted by imam of Delhi who is still in rat hole as fugitive of the law of the land.

**** * Mumbai serial blasts committed by Dawood and his cronies like Izu Sheikh on "Black Friday" of March 12, 1993 when 257 lives were savagely slaughtered injuring 713 - serial blasts that shattered the city;

**** * attack on American Centre in Kolkata in 2002 by underworld don Aftab Ansari and six others when 5 Indian policemen laid down their lives to save Americans. etc?

Are these **unpunished** killings and damage of property of people justified? Who took law into their own hands?


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NOT THE END OF OUR SAD STORY BUT HAS BEGINNINGS AND SOLID BASIS ON MOGUL CORRUPT HISTORY.

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Posted by AmericanForIndia on Aug 20, 2005

Yes, lack of MoQ exploitation need not be exhibited/manifested by simple and lowly western style capitalist business culture. It can be exercized with the power of mass indoctrination as in the case of bollywood movies brainwashing the society that muslim actors - like the zillion "filthy rich" khans - are to be worshiped as cult heros and Hindu stars are villains. Or via cricket that instills western values.

Or by savage intimidation:
Some time ago, a Hindu man married a musim woman but it was so savagely opposed by the female's gang that the gang murdered his brother. Let me remind the readers that savage incident by quoting myself:
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AmericanForIndia 's comment on
Hindu marries Muslim, angry mob kills brother [ Posted by AryaPutr ]

It is all one-sided imbalance. It is fine for vulgar muslim brutes to marry Hindu women and convert them but not the other way around.

Bollywood keeps popularizing the image of one dirty **old** muslim actor dancing with several Hindu *teens* but surely not any movie star from the Hindu society with a bunch of muslim women.

I was right when I said the savage vermins left dumped on India in 1947 are more of a burden than you ever imagined and one that you Indians have been carrying for far too long. It is someone else burden - it is the burden of pakki fascists.

Look at this mob of such criminal degenerate vermins that showed another sign of mobocracy, yet another time. It is time you realized that postGodhra was too mild a deterrent.

Who will compensate the family of the victims? Will any of the rich wipro type barbarians step up to the plate?
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I bet no one - not even the filthy rich bollywood khans - ever did even compensate the family of the victim. They surely didn't for the 50+ victims of Godhra or 2000+ victims of babri pogrom and other gazillion pogroms of the last eight hundred years. The islamist MoQ is savagely far worse than any lowly culture of western capitalism.


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Posted by Seetha Raghavan on Aug 19, 2005

Munir bhai, You are 100% right when you say, "Now it is perfectly normal and not illegal to take large sums of money for small salaried jobs." My own niece is jobless as she is unable to afford this type of extotion of money even beofre the applicant is offerted any job, w/o guarantee of any job security. In fact, because of the large deposit, the applicant might feel obliged to submit to the slavish and servile conditions of employment in the highly exploitative business like wipro.

My niece had earlier to surrender hugh capitation fees too, for admission into college, because she is from the upper caste and most seats are taken away by such kids like the "under-privileged" christian children of say, a rich government bureaucrat whose caste might have once been Dalit before he became a christian. Things are getting worse for well-deserving people of merit. Visas for naitons where merit is recognised is hard to come by, as the West gives out visas (especially, immigration type) to christians more easily.
(I have often seen local christian priests hanging around the consul-office to which we have but all too difficult access).
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Posted by Miriam the Jew on Aug 19, 2005

Thanks to Mr Akram, more areas of exploitation have been brought to light. Isn't ridiculous and exploitative that Wipro and other companies are charging huge fees upfront even before offering jobs?

Why is the Government not protecting th epublic from savagely greedy blood-suckers?

Of course, the greedy and dishonest cricket and bollywood mafia have long been leeching the poor public by gradually depleting the meager resources of the larger civil society too. Only way to teach the criminals and thugs some lessons is to *boycott* their business.

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Posted by Munir.Akram on Aug 19, 2005


Business or capitalism is NOT the only means of exploitation. Direct and indirect exploitation of Indians have been continuing for centuries, ever since mogul colonialism.

Drinking water that was free, costs money now [even food was free at one time before the muslim invasion as it is even now in Gurudhwara of Sikhs].

Multiplier effect is an alien trick played by muslims and christians on native Indians of India for several decades now. Amassing of large wealth by way of high tuition fees by latter and movie and DVD/CD revenues by former has been blighting the poor and gullible masses of India for several
100 years now. [*Multiplier* effect works like this- even one rupee from one billion ignorant masses become ONE BILLION RUPEES! British used that trick to amass wealth selling the finished shirts to Indians after stealing out their raw cotton from India].

Asim Premji, the owner of Wipro, who drove out his christian deputy out of more greed - is a billionaire but takes your money and my money for even getting a job as deposit and so do many before hiring. Now it is perfectly normal and not illegal to take large sums of money for small salaried jobs].

Bollywood, cricket, insurance companies and loan-sharks like citi bank have all been thrust on Indians subtly or otherwise. Bogus schemes called 'pyramid' schemes [AmWay is a nasty example] are now spreading like wild fire promoted by AP christian govt and wipro premji.

Other fraudulent, leech type blood-sucking entities have been draining Indian pockets- CORPORATE CROOKS LIKE ENRON, AM-WAY, 3rd RATE FORD CARS, HOME-BASED BUSINESS.... ON INDIANS - all this is just a tip of the ice berg, the criminal exploitation like ongoing rapes of minors by catholics that is known the world over but unreported in Holy Land of India, trafficking in women, children, weapons, drugs, ETC.

Those who hate Hindus [namely, pakki fascists and their dishonest hateful slaves inside India] exploit them the most. Yet hate of the anti-Hindus is returned with love and kindness by trusting Hindus.

So many similar atrocities are ongoing - robbing of your lands and wealth , raping of your women and girls, desecrating your temples. Most like sapping business practices are going largely unpunished, unreported and unchecked - It is clear by supporting AID and its sister NGO outfits, you are aiding and abetting criminals, anti-Hindus and anti-nationals to further worsen the law and order situation in India. [Evangelist NGO's that are actually a burden on Indians as they are conversion mafia indulged in the business of marketing and sale of jesus. [It is the native Indians who are 2nd class citizens as evidenced by these facts- One of the Rajyasabha members from Kerala, a muslim, declared properties worth 140 crores. Top movie stars in bollywood are filthy rich muslims who became so rich at the expense of poor Indian masses.
A muslim is president of India, the first citizen.
Muslims are ministers in the cabinet and the ruling political party.
We have national holidays on Muslim festival days.
PM hosted an iftar for Ramzan.
In AP, Government declared job reservation for Muslims. There are muslims MPs, Muslim MLAs in the country. Still, the fascist muslims want to rob and exploit Indians more].

Unless Hindus wake up and begin boycotting those exploiting them, hateful exploitation by war-mongering pakkis and hate-mongering minority might well continue.


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# Unsolicited Jesus videos angrily returned - The Detroit News
8/17/2005
Hundreds of videotapes about the life of Jesus that landed on the doorsteps of Palm Beach County residents are back in the mail marked: Return to sender. Some residents -- many of them Jewish -- were so angry about the unsolicited mailing that they bundled bricks with the tapes to increase ....

Miriam the Jew 's comment on
Unsolicited Jesus videos angrily returned [ Posted by Hildebrandt ]

If Indians dont fight back the assault on their ancient culture, it might get too late. Masses need to be educated to say,
1. WE ALL HAVE TOO MANY GODS, DONT NEED ONE MORE or
2. We are happy with our religion or
3. We dont believe in religious COLONIALISM or
4. We have read a lot about rapes of minors in the Western churches and we need to keep our kids safe;
5. We cant afford to make our land go waste as cemetery; etc

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studied under a kerosene lantern: puppy PM
Aug 20, 2005 Express India Posted by Top secularist

So whats a big deal in this. Even after 58 years of independence, there are many children are forced to study using kerosene lamps (including me). Instead of focussing on efficient energy production and investment in energy and other sectors, the govt of puppy PM is more interested in reservations for muslisms and exploiting the vote banks to retain power
Deccan Herald » National »
4:19 PM 8/20/2005
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/aug152005/eb.asp
Marriage mart flourishing in Hyderabad
From R. Akhileshwari DH News Service Hyderabad:
This is nothing but flesh trade. Some girls were married twice or thrice to different persons within a gap of a week or ten days, said deputy commissioner of police.

Heart-rending stories of exploitation of teenage Muslim girls by doddering men from the Gulf countries who marry the girls and abandon them soon after, continue to pour in from the Old City of Hyderabad.

The city police have arrested a “broker” for facilitating the marriages and are on the look out for a “qazi” who performed illegal marriages by showing them as adults. Although the government and Muslim elders promised to put an end to this exploitation, marriages continue unabated and the network of brokers-qazi continue to make good business. The broker gets at least Rs 10,000 for each marriage.

Early this week, police arrested 70-year old Zainab Begum for allegedly facilitating the marriage of two girls with a 65-year-old Arab on August 1st at Kalapather with the collusion of a qazi and a marriage broker. The Arab spent a night with the two girls Raheema and Saleema and later asked them to meet him after two days at a hotel at Abids promising to take them to Dubai.

When Raheema and Saleema went to the hotel the old man was missing. The girls and their parents lodged a complaint with the police. The chief broker Sheikh Mansoor who brokered the marriage is a much wanted man as also the qazi Khaled for running a racket that was exposed in 1997. Both are absconding.

In another incident, a woman broker Mumtaz Begum who works with four men to search and identify vulnerable girls from poverty-stricken families, allegedly showed 13 adolescent girls to four prospective Arab grooms. A 55-year old man married a 16-year old.

According to the girl who went to the police after the man deserted her, she was taken to a lodge where he confined her for 10 days not allowing her to go to her parents even though she was suffering from stomach pain. He had to let her go when the pain became acute.

She was treated at a hospital. He returned and took her back to the lodge. After four days, the problem recurred and she returned home. When he came back to fetch her for the third time she refused to go upon which he pronounced talaq three times and went away.

Deputy commissioner of police Sandeep Shandilya who is investigating the cases, said poverty and gullibility of the parents of young girls were the main reasons for the continuing exploitation of young girls. “This is nothing but flesh trade. Some girls were married twice or thrice to different persons within a gap of a week or ten days,” he said.

In the last few weeks more than 100 girls had fallen victims to the “lust of sheikhs,” he added.


Indian Muslims and Israel's International Security Concerns
May 09, 2005 Al Jazeerah Posted by Venki

Mumbai’s prime Urdu daily `Inquilab’, yesterday carried on its front page, a 5-column headline: Danger to Israeli airplanes from a Muslim Dargah (a tomb of a Muslim saint, who died 350 years back and is buried on a hillock overlooking Mumbai airport sprawl). Inquilab story was not carried by any of other English or other media in Mumbai or elsewhere --- not even by Inquilab’s own sister publication, Mid-day, that has a very substantial Mumbai presence. Indian Media is too sensitive to Israeli interests to cover Israel’ aggressive influences on Indian administrations.

The story points to growing Israeli demands on Indian government to accommodate its typical self-centered interests, over the rights and sensitivities of host country’s own people.

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The same savage islamists ignited the post-Godhra riots too.
Basically, the same trick was cunningly used then too. Provoke, watch for backlash, ratchet it up till there is a high profile riot and then finally play victims to the global community - savages painting the victims as savages!..!! Right after Godhra, pakki flags were hoisted, more stabbings in the streets, incitement by cries of "Kafiron ko maar daalo" [kill the infidels], then what happened is public knowledge - destitute tribals, long exploited by the savage and greedy muslim money lenders took to the streets. In fact, a jeep full of islamist jihadis mowed down a group of tribals standing on the unpaved side of the streets. This is believed to have been the ignition point.

It is well known the majority civil society [Hindu] has indulged
in minimal backlash/revenge even for very grave provocations,
like savage islamist stoning of Ganesh/Hanuman festivities.

It is a darn fact that the barbaric 'secular' [savage muslim]
"Indians" caused ten deaths for the filthy remarks of a filthy
christian by name JERRY FALWELL in far away USA AND IT HAD ABSOLUTELY ***NOTHING*** TO DO WITH EVEN THE MOST RADICAL HINDU CONSERVATIVE.

Given that the long track record of savagery by gangs of dishonest, greedy savage muslim fascists who have typically and historically caused zillion serial mass murders by savage attacks [the case of the distant remarks of JERRY FALWELL in India - not in any of the 50+ islamist nations, being just one oft them], proves clearly and solidly that the muslim barbarians left dumped on India in 1947 are a criminal burden.

The muslim barbarians left dumped in India have **excessive** privileges too while denying even basic right to live to the
Hindus (and other human rights as well - like right of free expression, political dissent without police baton charge), to the broader civil society, since they keep blasting in trains, buses, temples, cinema halls much like in Israel.

Moplah SAVAGERY and Jerry Falwell SAVAGERY had absolutely nothing to do with Hindu or Hindutvadis who have been brutally prevented from even defending their own loved ones. Zillion unpunished and unreported criminality continues, courtesy of anti-Indians and their ilk.

There is **nothing good** about anti-Hindus. The danger the minority pose is more and more severe and serious than you can ever imagine. “Among other things, they
1. Take/rob land for burial;
2. Bad mouth India overseas;
3. Cause rift in the families and society by conversion;
4. Politicize religion by rigging elections and ruining both **democracy and secularism**;
5. Show no regard for the host culture” - because of "superficial fascist pride";
6. Show no respect for the Government attacking it at every chance;
7. Keep demanding more and more with begging bowl - being never self-reliant;
8. Rob, rape or riot to grab more and more by lies, theft, rape and serial mass murder.

There is **nothing good** at all about those anti-Hindus like
christian crooks or islamist beasts in India.”

Our region is noted for their notorious qualities such as savage attacks from war-mongering pakki fascists and similar attacks by hate-mongering left-over barbaric islamist fascists. We have been the victims of their religious hate for far too long. Boycott is one simple solution.

"Muslims kill other Muslims because the killing muslim says the killed muslim is a traitor to the Islamic philosophy."

Minority 20% shittes of Fakistan or such minority of arabia do not have much of any rights but are routinely killed at the slightest pretext as are the Indian citizens.

You see a pattern. Any opposition to the islamist brute gets a violent savage reaction as vulgar Mother F is giving for any anti-brute comment here.
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Aug 16, 2005 IllaBillaSalaMulla 's comment on
The Second Conquest of Babur [ Posted by Venki ]

That's where the short-sightedness of US foreign policy comes back to hurt them. But they have always had the courage to correct for their initial mistake at least: earlier in Afghanistan, and now vis-a-vis the puki-chinki surreptitious alliance they are trying to undo the damage by cozying up to India. Better late than never; and hopefully they won't revert back to winking at the puki-chinki alliance. I have fears in that regard because of the suicidally anti-national combine in (undeserved) power in India now
# # 7 Posted by : PSYCHE

IBS I agree, actually CIA stopped the Dutch from prosecuting That scum AQ Khan for theft! The US has weird sense of Loyalty to Pukiland! I wish them perfectly Good freiends like pukis who will bite the hand which feeds them!


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Posted by Munir.Akram on Aug 14, 2005

Women in India suffer more because of lack of social order and safety in the streets. Hindu women are sexploited more because they are not covered in burqah - head to toe. For that reason, there is more sexual assault on women of Sanatana Dharma.

Redressal mechanism being unknown to the women is part of the problem but more important is that they are often too timid and feel too dishonoured to come forward to even begin to talk about the crime openly. In all likelihood, the crime may not be reported at all not even to the fellow family members.

Their own men might most often consider them as sisters tying "rakhi" 'raksha bandan' knots - but not those of Christianity or Islam. For the latter, their religion explicitly encourages such exploitation. Out of typical intimidation and known savage attacks throughout the history, no one might dare to report assault from the latter.

Hence, Indian women need to be educated to disengage from even eye contact with strangers or men of alien cultures/Dharma. For the present, that is the safest course of action one can advise.

Sanatana Dharma as a Liberating Force for Women

| Dont just talk about "the disruptive influence of proselytizing activity" they are destructive too. Many children as as young as nine and children of male gender are targeted by the church priests.

There is **nothing good** about anti-Hindus. The danger the minority pose is more and more severe and serious than you can ever imagine. “Among other things, they
1. Take/rob land for burial;
2. Bad mouth India overseas;
3. Cause rift in the families and society by conversion;
4. Politicize religion by rigging elections and ruining both **democracy and secularism**;
5. Show no regard for the host culture” - because of "superficial fascist pride";
6. Show no respect for the Government attacking it at every chance;
7. Keep demanding more and more with begging bowl - being never self-reliant;
8. Rob, rape or riot to grab more and more by lies, theft, rape and serial mass murder [church rapes of minors is notorious in the West but not many have come to light in India].

There is **nothing good** at all about those anti-Hindus like christian crooks or islamist beasts in India.”


While the uncovered plight of the rape victims of the sexual abuse in churches of India is shocking, it is equally horrendous to see too many rapes of minors in the West all over in almost every nation, be it USA or Canada, Australia, Ireland or whatever.
"If you - like the imam bukhari driven mob need to be told, like the conversion mobsters, Staines' - poke your nose into others' affairs, you have added their issues to your own. Extra baggage. Stop worrying about "our state affairs" so you can Sleep well unlike Staines."

The eevil that marks aggressive savagery of the conversion mobsters and islamist savage

Indians are generally too embarassed to reveal if their minors are subject to sexual abuse; their minors might be more embarassed. On the matter of Hindu victims of child rape by church priests and of the Hindu victims of religious hatred by islamist beasts, I am often surprised why there is no national outcry. ONLY EASY WAY TO PREVENT CONTINUED ABUSE IS BY BOYCOTT OF ANTI-INDIAN BUSINESS, EVEN THAT OF WESTERN ONES!!


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BOB ABERNETHY, anchor: Transcendental Meditation -- TM -- was widely popular 40 years ago: a technique for relaxation and awareness using certain sounds and ways of breathing, 20 minutes, twice a day.

You might have thought TM had disappeared, but last winter in Iowa, Lucky Severson found a town where it is flourishing and, for some, controversial: is it just a meditation practice or is it also a religion?

LUCKY SEVERSON: Who would imagine that the nerve center of Transcendental Meditation in the U.S. would be located in the middle of cornfields?

It was 1974 when Maharishi Mahesh Yogi founded what is now the Maharishi University of Management in a bankrupt Presbyterian campus in Fairfield, Iowa. That was after he had gained fame as the guru to the Beatles.

Photo of signNow, twice each day, the university's twin 25,000-square-foot domes are filled with the silence of hundreds of Transcendental Meditators, or "TM'ers," attempting to achieve a state of inner calm that transcends the hustle and bustle of everyday life.

This is not the average farm town. Even the mayor, Ed Malloy, is a TM'er.

Mayor ED MALLOY (Fairfield, Iowa): I've discovered that this world is the real world and it's a beautiful, beautiful place to live.

SEVERSON: These are sixth graders who learned how to meditate when they were in the third grade.

Unidentified Girl #1: 'Cause it releases all your stress and makes you feel very calm and focused.

Photo of school girlsUnidentified Girl #2: I never feel stressed about schoolwork.

Unidentified Girl #3: And I've been doing it for many years and it's just -- over the years -- it just makes you feel so much better.

SEVERSON: Mario Orsatti is a TM'er from Philadelphia, with a master's degree in education.

MARIO ORSATTI (Spokesman, The Institute of Science, Technology and Public Policy, Maharishi University): I think too many adults don't realize how stressful our children -- the amount of stress that our children are experiencing as a result of their education.

SEVERSON: Maharishi University is nationally accredited and it offers advanced degrees in management, education, [and] Indian philosophy, as well as other fields, to about a thousand students from all over the world.

Alisa Devlin is from London.

Photo of spaALISA DEVLIN (Student, Maharishi University): And it just flipped my life to the other side in all positive ways -- all the negativity, all the, like, hurt and all kinds of things that was going on, it just fell away.

Dr. FREDERICK TRAVIS (Director, Center for Brain, Consciousness, and Cognition, Maharishi University): David has been meditating since he was four.

SEVERSON: There's even a brain research lab on campus where technicians trace the effects of meditation on student volunteers.

Dr. TRAVIS: During Transcendental Meditation practice, you see a greater lever of integration in brain functioning.

SEVERSON: The results are all positive and self-evident, according to TM'er John Hagelin, a renowned physicist.

Photo of John HagelinDr. JOHN HAGELIN (Quantum Physicist, Maharishi University): Transcendental Meditation is a powerful technique to turn human awareness powerfully within, to experience deeper levels of mind. And that correlates with things like IQ, creativity, learning ability, academic performance, moral reasoning, intellectual achievement, scholastic achievement.

SEVERSON: Fairfield has grown dozens of new businesses and hundreds of jobs, many of them high-tech; why it's been called the "entrepreneurial Mecca of the Midwest" and "Silicorn Valley."

Where else in small town America would you find five Indian restaurants, three Thai, and more hybrids than Hummers?
Mayor MALLOY: I describe it as really a model community for the 21st century. I think that there is going to be a natural trend for people to move out and move away from those cities and look for small communities that offer quality of life.

SEVERSON: The mayor is serving his second term. He was elected by both meditators and nonmeditators -- which is the way people divide themselves here. Fairfield has a population of about 10,000, with approximately one third claiming to be meditators.

Photo of meditatorsFor 30 years, meditators and nonmeditators here have been getting along in splendid isolation -- some grumbling, but nothing serious. There is growing unease, though, in some circles, but it's not about people or lifestyles. It's about whether it's possible to be both a meditator and a believer.

Reverend GREG CRAWFORD (Pastor, Jubilee Christian Fellowship Church): It's somewhat deceptive in the fact they're telling people it's a science when in reality, it's really a religion.

SEVERSON: Greg Crawford is pastor of the Jubilee Christian Fellowship, which has schools, churches, and missionaries throughout Africa and Asia. But in Fairfield, the church is struggling to attract new members, and Pastor Crawford believes it's because of competition from Transcendental Meditation.

Photo of Reverend CrawfordRev. CRAWFORD: From the forefront, it looks like it's a science and they've posed it as a science, but as you start to study it out more, you see that it's actually Hinduism.

SEVERSON: To attract more attention, the pastor sponsors weekly services where the pulpit and the music rock. Kai Druhl is a former TM'er who actually taught meditation at Maharishi, and is now a convert to Christianity.

KAI DRUHL (Former TM Teacher) (Speaking to Students): Let me explain to you how the whole thing will proceed today.

SEVERSON: He teaches physics at the local community college via closed-circuit TV. Druhl says he has no doubt that TM is derived from Hinduism.

(To Mr. Druhl): Does that mean it's anti-Christianity?

Mr. DRUHL: It excludes and takes away from the experience of Christ.

SEVERSON: Mario Orsatti could not disagree more.

Photo of Mario OrsattiMr. ORSATTI: There's no doubt in my mind that the practice of Transcendental Meditation has helped me enjoy being a Catholic.

SEVERSON: Students like Jenoa Kohn agree.

JENOA KOHN (Student, Maharishi University): I'm a spiritual person, but I don't think that, you know, TM is something that I do that is separate. It's like brushing your teeth twice a day.

SEVERSON: Virtually all the TM'ers we spoke with insist that TM is a science of the mind, not a religion. But there appears, at least, to be a connection to Hinduism.

The lavish health spa outside of town offers treatments based on a 5,000-year-old Indian holistic medical system called ayurveda.

The official language of the new town on the edge of Fairfield, Maharishi Vedic City, is Sanskrit, the classical Hindu language -- although its significance is largely symbolic.

The Vedic architecture recommends that all homes face east to catch the warming rays of the morning sun. Pastor Crawford doesn't care so much about the architecture. It's the connection to Hinduism that troubles him.

Rev. CRAWFORD: Hinduism believes in reincarnation, believes in multiple gods; and so with a Hindu philosophy it enables you to embrace Christianity, but with Christianity you can't embrace Hinduism.

SEVERSON: TM'ers believe any conflict will eventually fade away. They believe if they can accumulate enough mediators in Fairfield and Vedic City, peace and harmony will pulsate from the Iowa prairie throughout the world.

For RELIGION & ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY, I'm Lucky Severson in Fairfield, Iowa.
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Award of Empire too little, say war veterans
- By Gautam Dutt
New Delhi, Aug. 14: The Indian Army is struggling to sustain a legacy of the British empire that has already reached the stage of irrelavance. The royal government had awarded what was called jangi inam (war award) to more than 10,000 Indian soldiers for participating in World War II. In reward for their services the soldiers were given a pension of Rs 5 for life in the 1940s.

The Indian Army diligently paid the Rs 5 till 1995 to the surviving soldiers. Since the amount was too small and delivering it was costlier, it raised the amount to Rs 100. But now there have been fervent appeals from the aging soldiers, many of whom are extremely poor, to raise the amount to "realistic" levels.

Several petitions have been made to defence minister Pranab Mukherjee and his predecessors. The Army, however, finds itself in a peculiar situation. The officials said that first of all the jangi inam was not a bravery award but only a reward to win the loyalty of Indian soldiers. The citation clearly said that it was subject to the conditions of loyal behaviour and support of government in times of trouble.

The second point raised is that even the highest gallantry award, the Param Vir Chakra, entails a pension of only Rs 1,500 per month. In this light it will not be possible to incre-ase the jangi inams beyond a particular level. Winners of the Victoria Cross, the highest British gallantry award, are given only Rs 350 per month. The arrangement is that Rs 60 per month is contributed by the Indian government while £100 per annum is given by the United Kingdom. There is only one Victoria Cross winner surviving, Honorary Captain Umrao Singh, 85.

Jangi inam certificates were issued between 1939 and 1945 during the World War II years. The total number of awardees was 12,024 in the army, 191 in the navy and 285 in the air force. Officials said that Rs 5 had high value in those years as the basic salary of the soldier or junior commissioned officer was not more than Rs 80. The Army does not find it feasible to increase the sum to comparable levels. The number of jungi inamis has also fallen over the years.
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